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    I have a new S3 and I'm trying to use this weekend to do some first cuts. I have a simple design to try and switch between Tool 1 and Tool 2 in a single design. The design runs just fine using Tool 2 first and then switches to Tool 1 just like it's supposed to, but it forces me to move the dust boot, and touch off Tool 1 on the FTC plunger, then reposition the dust boot and then it runs.

    I've measured Tool 1 and Tool 2 prior to starting, and then run the program, but it still forces Tool 1 to re-touch the plunger every time I run the program. Can anyone offer advice as to what setting is forcing it to do that, and where I turn it off so that it just switches to Tool 1 and runs?
  • #2

    It sounds like your post processor is set to single tool not tool change. Change the PP before you save the .tap file to tool change and you should be good.
    Keith Hyde, Winchester, VA
    2016 Stinger 1, 1.7KW HF Spindle HSD
    Performance Package Pro, Vac, lathe, Aspire 10
    Former Marine and retired Seabee Master Chief.
    Furniture is my hobby not my vocation.
    hyde.consulting@comcast.net

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    • #3

      Thanks Keith, I appreciate the reply on Thanksgiving, but I don't think that's it. I just double checked, and my PP is set to the CAMaster X3 Inch, and it successfully transitions to the second router, but forces me to touch off on the plunger before it will proceed.

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      • #4

        Troy, I only chimed in because no one else did which is understandable on a holiday. Obviously your X3 PP is different than my SR23 and looking at the PP Database that is your only choice. Maybe someone who is knowledgeable on your machine will chime in. If support isn't in tomorrow maybe find someone who has the same machine and send them a note. That is all I have good luck.
        Keith Hyde, Winchester, VA
        2016 Stinger 1, 1.7KW HF Spindle HSD
        Performance Package Pro, Vac, lathe, Aspire 10
        Former Marine and retired Seabee Master Chief.
        Furniture is my hobby not my vocation.
        hyde.consulting@comcast.net

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        • #5

          You would need to change the Macro's to behave the way you want. The toolpath is just calling for T1, T2, ect.. I did an x3 and set it up only to ask for the tool touch off if you asked for tools 4 and higher.
          Fixing machines and making sawdust.
          SW side of Houston

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          • #6

            Keith, Ken,
            Thank you both. I'll do some google-ing and figure out how to modify those macros. (This being a noob is annoying me) :-)

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            • #7

              I'm hoping that someone can tell me which line of code to remove in this .tap file to stop the machine from doing a touch-off every time my file calls for a different X3 head:
              My problem is that every time I run this file, the machine successfully switches from cutter 2 to cutter 1, but then pauses at the switch and forces me to move the dust boot, the spindle then touches off on the FTC post, then reposition the boot and then run.

              I think that it's the G53 Z0 that I have highlighted in green. Can anyone confirm form me?

              Here is the section of the .tap file that I think is the culprit.....
              (Machine is running here on head 2)
              G0 X11.812500 Y3.437500 Z0.200000
              G1 X11.812500 Y3.437500 Z-0.350000
              G0 X11.812500 Y3.437500 Z0.200000
              G0 X10.625000 Y2.750000 Z0.200000
              G1 X10.625000 Y2.750000 Z-0.350000
              G0 X10.625000 Y2.750000 Z0.200000
              G0 X14.187500 Y6.187500 Z0.200000
              G1 X14.187500 Y6.187500 Z-0.350000
              G0 X14.187500 Y6.187500 Z0.200000
              G0 X15.375000 Y5.500000 Z0.200000
              G1 X15.375000 Y5.500000 Z-0.350000
              G0 X15.375000 Y5.500000 Z0.200000
              M5
              G53 Z0

              T1 [ GET TOOL NUMBER 1 ]
              [(1/4") SRF4-250UP - Up-Cut Spiral Bit]

              S16000 [ SET SPINDLE SPEED RPM ]

              G53 Z0

              F120 XY [SET FEEDRATE FOR X AND Y]
              F100 Z [SET FEEDRATE FOR Z]


              [TOOLPATH NAME: 1/4 endmill cutout]
              [(1/4") SRF4-250UP - Up-Cut Spiral Bit]

              S16000 [ SET SPINDLE SPEED RPM ]
              F120 XY [SET FEEDRATE FOR X AND Y]
              F100 Z [SET FEEDRATE FOR Z]

              G0 X1.780879 Y2.314649
              G0 Z0.800
              G1 X1.780879 Y2.314649 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.719847 Y2.363034 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.659721 Y2.411897 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.600509 Y2.461234 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.542220 Y2.511040 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.484862 Y2.561311 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.428444 Y2.612043 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.372973 Y2.663231 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.318458 Y2.714872 Z-0.230000
              G1 X1.264908 Y2.766960 Z-0.230000

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              • #8

                OK, I think that I now understand the difference between macros and the .tap file, I think that my problem is in the "T1" macro, but I think that I'm only directionally accurate.
                Here is the Get Tool 1 macro:

                M5 [ Spindle Off
                G53Z0 [ Raise Head
                G43 Z H1 [ Turn Tool Offset On
                G54 [ Set WINCNC To Use Center Head
                M11C1 [ Spindle On
                G4x4 [ Wait For Up To Speed
                L20 [ Soft Limits On

                Which line do I need to modify and to what in order to have it not touch off when changing cutting heads?

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                • #9

                  Might be looking at the wrong macro. There is get tool 1, measure tool 1, switch to tool one, so you may be on the wrong macro. That one is not calling to measure the tool unless there is more of it. There is a mac file that has all of the definitions. T1=M98 (and describes what macro it is using) These things are in several places that send it here and there for each purpose.
                  Fixing machines and making sawdust.
                  SW side of Houston

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                  • #10

                    Just to double check, You do know to m,ake a complet copy of your entire wincnc file on c drive before making any changes right !?
                    James McGrew
                    CAMaster ATC 508
                    The principle of Measure twice cut once has not been replaced by a CNC

                    www.mcgrewwoodwork.com

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                    fixed 4-27-2020

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                    • #11

                      Thanks James, I did consider that. I haven't jumped into changing the macro yet, I'm dealing with the touch-off for now and want to double check with Camaster support tomorrow just because this is all so new to me.

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